[QLab] sound group cue level change

[soundsman]

I couldn't disagree more with Sam on this one. True, some people do  
get confused, and (rightfully so) come to the list for questions - so  
we see this a lot. However, the sound group cue is one of the most  
valuable tools in QLab for any complex sound design process. It truly  
is one of those "I can't believe I didn't think of this before" type  
of tools. (Note, I am talking about the "Sound Group Q", and not the  
"Sounds" Q)

See Jeremy's explanation of using fades with Sound Group Qs. It is  
safe to assume that the different files inside of a Sound Group Q  
will have different output levels and matrix settings. Sometimes it  
won't - but it is best to assume it does. Because of this, using  
relative fades is your only route when changing the entire level of  
every Q in the Sound Group Q. You can also use this method to just  
change the matrix setting of a single output - which can be handy.

Alternatively, you can use Absolute Fades on each Sound File in the  
"Sound Group" Q to create a totally different mix. For Example:

1   Sound Group - "Storm", fired all together
	1.1 Sound - "Rain", Master @-10
	1.2 Sound - "Wind", Master @-12
	1.3 Sound - "Thunder", Master @-6
2   Sound Group - Loud Thunder & Rain, No Wind
	2.1 Fade, Absolute - Target: Rain, Master @0
	2.2 Fade, Absolute - Target: Wind, Master @ -inf
	2.3 Fade, Absolute - Target: Thunder, Master @ +6
3   Fade, Relative - Target: 1 - "Storm", Master @-10 (Turn  
Everything Down 10db)
4   Fade, Relative - Target: 1 - "Storm", Master @-inf (Turn  
Everything Down completely)

Utility:
Some type of (better user interface) utility to combine multiple  
files into one would be real nice. The "Sounds" Q doesn't really  
address the the ideal situation, and the latest Audacity isn't a  
great solution either. A Co-Application that maybe came with the  
enhanced audio license would be great. A little app that let you drag  
& drop files into it, and assign each channel of each file to an  
output - and then bounce the file to a multi-track WAV file. That  
would be nice. Of course - as soon as it is created, people will want  
a lot more... (like multi-track editing, delay times, fades, etc...).  
Personally, I prefer to use my current DAW for that stuff - but  
that's me.

My 2¢,
Mark H

On Oct 15, 2007, at 1:46 PM, sam kusnetz wrote:

>
> thinking about sound group cues...
>
> more and more it sounds like sound groups are sources of trouble for
> people, not technically, but in mindset. so i wonder if it might not
> be a good idea of ditch the sound group entirely, and instead modify
> the sound cue type to permit multiple targets? you could do some kind
> of spiffy graphic for lining up files with inputs, possibly similar
> to the patch graphic in the preferences window...
>
> alternately, a utility that merges sound mono or 2 track aiff files
> into multitrack aiff files...
>
> just a thought.
>
> sam
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